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August 16th, 2004

The original [unlimited dreams] series began with an introduction from Santosh, and then dived straight into the different layers and the details of it. There was a series of 13 email, which were put together in a yahoo-group by Arun. There were a bunch of people (including me), who were really keen to get this project going at that time. There were a few discussions later, and the project progressed at a diseased snail pace. The project which started somewhere around may 2002, defying Newtons first law, it ground to a halt around december 2002. During the last days of december 2002, Santosh in his desperation wrote “eee mairu valicheriyaan thonnunnundu… thengakkola…”.

But unfortunately, it was not thengakkola, but a great idea, the time of which is still waiting to come. I am sure the original people who participated will again work on this with a renewed vigour and bring it to a stage that it deserves. Ok, I was also culprit to some extent, but then I decided that it will be a crime to abandon this.

Please do bring this project back on track. With this project I wont be that much of help, as I left mathematics after 10th standard and physics after 12th. But I can see people like Sanoj, Prasad, Ligeo, Arun, Shijith and others who can take up this challenge. Just an hour or two a day will keep this project alive, and maybe we can get more people attracted to this project and make it a success.

As Santosh has been the brains behind this project and have kept this project alive thourgh couple of years (inside his cranium), I have to got his permission to put this project online. I would not be managing this project as it will be done by someone nominated by Santosh himself. The user thus nominated will have administrative access to this project where he can moderate the disucssions and give further impetus for the success of this project.

If you want to get involved, email the administrator or Santosh, who can then authorise you as a member, by which you can post your thoughts and discuss the project in detail. This place is planned to be the central repository for this project. Each person who is a memebr can log in and write entries, and can edit/modify the posts they author. If one wants to comment on a particular entry, they can use the comment link below that entry and discussion about that entry can be done there. I am sure a few among us will keep the site active and we will soon bring the project back to the state that it deserves. Thanks.

Any theory to explain the universe should be able to clearly define time and space, which seems to be the fundamental building blocks of our universe. The questions are puzzling in itself, and even modern scientists are working towards that unified theory, which explains all the universe.

In the theory we are propounding also, we need to explain the time and the space phenomenon and then build it from there. As per the string theory, there were 11 dimensions, out of which time and space (4 dimensions) got seperated and the other 7 shrunk infintesimily small. Well thats the idea that is being propounded.

Well, In the theory propounded here, we approach the explainable universe consisting in 3 different planes. Physical plane, phi plane (imaginative layer) and zhy plane (prajna – Conscious layer) These might sound more esoteric, but asking the correct questions will lead us to the bulding blocks of the universe.

Each of these layers (planes) consists of energy and their flux – vibrating from the other layers into the physical plane that gives birth, existance and death of this cosmos. While trying to explain the idea behind it, it makes life easier to use graphical images than to describe it. For convenience we will be using the following representations.

Zhy Phi and Physical Planes

Now the right place to start is to ask the question, what is time? Normally we consider time as a continuum, a flow. Almost everyone has an idea of what time is. But when we start looking at time concept slowly, we have to go deep. To see what is a “unit” time. Just like 1 hour is made of 60 minutes, each minute made of 60 seconds, each second made of milli-seconds and so on, we need to find the basic “unit” of time and define it.

The time appears as a continuum, but as we break it into small units and go deeper, we will reach a stage where we will find an Instant of time. This concept is very important. That instant of time is the fundamental building block of time. But then how does it appear to be continuous? The instant should be repetitive, but there will be a state of timelessness in between. Which will be a non physical timeless state. Say we call an instant of time t1 and the next instant t2, the in between stage will be a no-time or timeless stage.

Now this part is hard to imagine, but not so hard to understand. The time that is appearing as the instant of time t2 is same as t1, with a timeless state in between. But as it happens repetitively, we appear to have a continuous time at macro level. But in fact there is no change in time. The same instances are appearing again and again with timeless states also happening again and again.

Now how does this happen and what exactly are we trying to establish. To explain the time concept we use our Zhy layer. The layer of conscious/complete energy (prajna). An energy flux from the zhy layer that enters the physical layer is an instant of time. The closest way to explain that is to imagine a movement of a piston (up and down and again up and down continuously). When the flux happens from the zhy layer to the physical plane, an instant of time happens. we can represent it as below.

an Instant of time

Now again space we can explain similarly using the phi layer. When the energy vibrates from the non-physical plane to the physical plane through the phi layer, we get an instant of space. Now the space can have multiple dimensions, even a 1 dimension space is possible. When the vibration from the non-physical plane to the physical plane happens with a particular attribute, the dimensions happen. As the dimensions will be a resultant of the attrtibute, 0 dimension also is possible.

an Instant of space

Now combining the above two will give us a space-time picture of the current world. The vibrations of the zhy layer with the physical plane and the phi layer with physical plane will be producing the space-time effect. The defenition of a “point” becomes plausible using this explanation. Every point in the universe can be defined with reference to the non-physical world around using the layers.

Space Time instant

The space time once explained using the layers makes it easier to define particles. A particle can be defined as a mathematical co-ordinates of a flux happening.

This is the basic idea that I grabbed from santosh during our last conversation on this topic, I will wait for his corrections and enhancements and publish it soon.
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This years Nobel Prize for physics have been won by 3 scientists who proposed the theory to describe the force that holds together quarks, the elementary particles with which nature constructs the neutrons and protons that make up the nuclei of atoms.

Read the full news here.

They fancifully described their force in terms of “colour”, saying that quarks could be red, green or blue, rather like electrical charge can be positive or negative; and just as electrical opposites attract, so combinations of quark colour can make for stable collections of quarks.

Their theory successfully explained why quarks tended to group in threes. It also explained why, paradoxically, the “colour charge” weakens as the quarks move together and strengthens when they move apart. It is a property that has been compared to a rubber band. The more the band is stretched, the stronger the force.

The researchers’ discoveries, published in 1973, led to the theory of quantum chromodynamics, or QCD.

I have made a rough scetch of the theory here. We are just trying to describe the phi layer and how big bang could be one of its probabilities. In the phi-layer, is the matrix, which can be said as the blue print of the mandalini or the physical world layer. We can approach this matrix mathematically.

The blue print or the idea of time and space exists in the matrix of phi layer as the primary ideas. When we inclue that matrix in our understanding of the phyical universe or the mandalini layer, we can explain all the physical phenomenen without any contradiction in theories.

This is the idea tha santosh passed on again on 14th of September, 2004.

We are at the fundamentals of our idea. The mandalini layer (the physical world layer), the phi layer and the shift of layers, that is the point. It is a spark. I attach huge importance to that concept. Thinking from one layer to another. That whole shift of angle point, that is a breakthrough. We are there, that gives us a new glimpse of this universe. That gives a clear cut one sent answer to the absence of one complete theory here. That is, a complete answer to this layer. One will get a complete answer, when you view it from the next layer. This also gives a corollary.

Had we got a complete answer to all in this universe from this (mandalini/phyiscal world) layer, this layer would have had an independent existance, which is impossible – as it is a continumm – thru the innermost layer to the outermost. Even the layer to layer distinction is what we view the inside from this layer. Viewing it from another (phi) layer, no distinctions or 2 will be there. So we dont know how we see all from other layers.

From layer 2 (phi layer) we should get all answers to the doubts we have in this (mandalini/physical world)layer. But there could come new questions, which cannot even be known now. Their answers should lie in the next, and so on and so forth. And in this process as we approach more to the zhy – pointer – then its merging – the answer – then question answer – all – we cannot speak anything.

The tought of finding the answers to the questions directs us. The quest takes us to this angle point. See, this is absolute, NOT philosophy. This angle point is perfectly scientific. It is a model – bohr model of an atom was not philosophy. The layers itself is the gross model in our case, and we have more to speak of details.

I mean, the fundamental building brick is those layers. That is why I say, to never underestimate the strength of that brick. It itself is a strong concept,there is much inside it. And the point is, when u see from this angle, what we now feel as creation, origin, all and as the great challenges will look trivial and some other questions, like existance of ideas, abstactions etc will surface as of utmost importance. Yes, I stress soooo much this point because the original questions will never come with a result which can be expressed as a heap of sentences.

It is we who are moving on and on till we reach the correct angle point. At the correct angle point what we ‘see’ as the world appears from there is real enough to sove those questions. This angle point could be mathematical. That is the intellectual (phi) layer is where mathematics can still approach. The biggest point is, from phi layer, if we see, all possibilities are eually possible. The big bang origin is possible and other wise also is possible. Now that means the function has so many solutions.

Now what actally happened as “a historical fact” is trivial from there. But all the possiblities can be explainedm like if some how we can prove the historical fact that it was thru bigbang, we can explain from phi, how it could have happened. That is the big point I am trying to explain to you..the actual fact is trivial, it is the possiblities that is imp from phi.

See, through observations we try to corellete and prove big bang. Fine, once bigbang is proved, we can precisely get its explanation from phi. Phi can give so many solutions, bigbang is just one of them. Now, if it is not proved(big bang threory), then out of all possiblities the most probable one can be selected by hard core statistical mathematics, which must coincide with bigband if it were true. However this method is much difficult compared to actual observations. So it is better to follow the path, prove bigbang and other such events from here and get explanation from there (the phi layer). And, when any two theories jerk at interfaces on the face of observations, to provide the missing link from there.

<):) got it? One step and in that process of explanation, so many missing liks are found which will also bridge the gaps between the different theories. The one theory from phi should contain so many possiblities. The possible cause is the "most probable cause" out of soo many. I mean, as a possibility, if so many possible solnutions exist, then that is the 'parellel univ'. Now based on many observations as the boundary conditions we can narrow down the possible causes to one or few. And thus we can/could say that big bang is one of the most probable causes. It needs further observations to single out it as 'the cause'. And one thing. I really doubt whether there has been 'one cause' really. I want to speak so, because see, to understand this point, just see what happened when man tried to understand what space is, what is at the end of the space - they found that the very idea of space as an independent substratum is wrong. When they tried to know time, the same happened. Now, these are because, they are now moving their angle point of observation to a better focus. From where we see things is from phi. Now when we focus here, the cause will stop. because there cannot be forward or backward time. All past, future and present, all is simultaneously there. This just "is". I mean every time when science discovers something, it has only made it that our earlier angle point has been wrong. Yes i mean it, a strong myth of time flowing is catching us. This provides unending illusion of finite, infinite, cause, effect, origin, end etc. No one will get answers as the questions does not exist. Now, Mathematically, it is accepted that a stone thrown today can reach here yesterday. Dont u think it is a talk from phi? Now what if i throw a stone to b4 bigbang? Yes, that theory is mass time space dependence. You might struggle with this idea. That is because your are adapted to this world. The other theory is from phi. It is mathematical. The point is we men dont yet know time space mass (charge) fully. They have to be seen from phi. So u got it - the angle point? it is so tremendously important. Please do understand that while modern physics tries to get data from observations to narrow down to origin of universe, we are tring to shift to an angle point from where the different solutions to the questions can be mathematically dealt with, which will give us a better perspective of time and space and mass and which can tally with the observations in this world. This will give us singular details in this world which of course will be of trivial interest to us from the next layer. So, at the end of it, we from layer 2 (phi layer), will have known time,space and mass better. It will help us understand origin, infinity, finity, cause, effect, end etc as illusions perhaps from layer 2 or coexistant with it. And yet it can explain for their spiltting into distinct existing realities in this world. And it should eplain a one fold theory as a continuum, from layer one to two. Ie the layers are in continuum, not distinct and the abstract solutions of one layer becoming concrete realities in this layer, but in a matter of continuum ofcourse. A very glimpse into this layer would set at rest several of our doubts. Now this layer (phi layer) is where we can reach mathematically. You know, the one matrix (the matrix of the phi layer) they explain the splitting. It is like newtons spectrometer that splits light to its multiple components - vibjyor. See, may be Einstein has proved it (that the space time fabric is curved causing the "effect of gravity"). i can say that its meaning is from the other plane. Einstein was speaking from here. Now he narrowed down the possiblities at this layer to the one solutions he describes through the data he got. If it is an exact solution, how it actually is from this plane. We have to go thru the observations and study till now all the explained physics theories. One of the possiblities of this theory is big-bang. The matrix we refer to, is just a stage prior to big bang. From the matrix, bigbang is one possibility. It is one probable outcome from the matrix. post script: When did space and time come into being? I was thinking that it originated at big-bang, but I dont know what the latest scientists say about it. For santosh, it seems probable that the space and time originated at the moment of big-bang, which in turn is one of the possiblities from the matrix.

This is what santosh had to say on 8th of september.

See, the most fundamental principle is that when we try to learn about the absolute. Mind always tries to imagine/think in terms of its previous experiences. Thus we try to circumvent this and try to speak from a purely intellectual layer. We have at the mental imaginative plane soo many questions to answer.

Just we see ourselves as a new born baby all of a sudden thrown into this universe. Now what we will ask given we devolop the intelligence to do that? Then, as we are – we see the world – we have all the following doubts.

What is the cause of this all around?
What is the beginning of time?? and end of time.
Is universe finite? or infinite?
What is space?
Now, what is a point?
How can one body move from one point to another??
What exactly is motion??(means it has to cover infinite points between two given points)
One supreme question, what is this life what we say we possess?
what is the distinction between living and nonliving and its cause?
and more, the cause of inertia?

Now these are the lists of doubts as a new baby in this world. We can first and foremost list. They are varying and diverse. Now at this time the important question unseen is, what is the faculty of the cranial layer that makes these thinking? If u see, the above questions, with the light if the last u will recognise that, all these questions have their basis on the default acceptance of this world as it is. And thus, we are trying to define absolute thru questions which are not absolute but based on the logic we have by default accepted – as it is – as we have imbibed them from this universe.

I interrupted him in between and argued that the logic is the tool thats available to us and even if we have to drop it, we should have a logical reason for the same. The reply came soon.

Remember the universe, this physical system is also all those logics together. For example, beginning, end, cause, effect, infinite, finite etc., apper fundamental and absolute to us, though they are actually just part of this physical system which we have accepted innocently by default as whole. And accepted ‘as it is’, thus we feel that such logics are absolute. Thus, a process should have a beginning, athing has to be either finite or infinite etc are logics. They are not absolute. We live in a physical system which at macro level obeys them.

In our present layer (of physical universe), we have intelligence, we have imaginations. But all these are based on the logics and imageries which have selected as axioms by default what we have percieved subconsciously from this universe. This entire faculty of thinking is so profound to study the macrolevels of this univ which we percieve. But we here are trying to apply the same logics and imaginations to the entire source and depth where the above logics need not work.

Infact the questions we think are absolute are nothing but those fall at the boundary of the present layer and the next. The interface seems to obstruct a continuum that is causing the jerk. Going to the boundary from here is what has been done i think by Stephen hawkins and other leading scientists. We have to first get those concepts, that will take us tho the boundary. Then we can reach the boundary and enter into the phi layer, and then look back, give modified interpretations, allaccepting.

See science is not just observation..it is old definition. it is logical too. All the things we see, from particles to the galaxies, and the logic we use to find the laws governing them, all are in the present layer. So now but we are going to the very point which says, We, around us etc. That is while, till now we have seen..We and the world around us. Now we see we ourselves as a physical point in this system which thinks – “WE”, “around me” etc. and the logics that work at this. This is science going deep.

The physics laws we find are true here, but there is no one full law getting all true together. That means that all that we see here cannot be completely explained in the same logical system which we considered full by default. Thus when we deepen into next layer we get the missing links. That makes a complete cherent picture of this physical system.

At the same time, going to the next layer may fully explain the doubts of the presnet layer and this physical world may be explained completely as from there. But there newer doubts that can come in that layer, which are unknown to us as of now and that may once take up to the next layer from where the second layer will be perfect and so on. May be then we will realize that what we here now consider as the last and final question is only a starting point.

However, though this process of going layer to layer might make us feel thatwe will never reach the absolute, there is another silverline. As we go in thru layers, the concept of “next” duality should become less intense and it is more and more in into inner layers. We are nearer and nearer to the – that – and towards the inner and inner. Thought – the thinker duality escapes, for a moment just that – awareness – then – that – that is it.

Thus the core question..we standing at the present layer will put is, define this point of ‘I’ as a fact in this universe, that thinks and is conscious.

I changed the looks of the site. Now I feel its more readable with the new template on. Yes, the update is coming next.

I have learnt that there are 4 forces in the universe. The strong and weak nucler force, the electro-magnetic force and finally gravity. The weakest of them is gravity. As per Newton, gravity is a property of mass. or something related to mass, so he devised a simple equation for that. Now Einstein-chettan came along and said, thats not right – gravity is not associated with mass, rather mass causes a curvature in the space-time fabric and that is gravity. More the curvature in space-time, the more gravity. Now, Gravity and other forces what is it as per this theory. How do we fit 4 forces in the matrix? Does it come as properties of a particular type of flux, or is it a particular flux itself. There are more questions, but all of them still in the formative stage but I think this you can think and answer first and explain about the forces.

The only information so far is “force – see, the very factor, the tendency to move towards stability from unstability is force. Something more. The disturbance of this stable state is force.” Now what are forces in the universe? does gravity comes into picture only when there is a space-time curvature and there is no force of gravity at infinitesimal small levels such as proton and electron. What is matter and how is mass formed. The questions abound. Now we need answers one by one.