This is what santosh had to say on 8th of september.
See, the most fundamental principle is that when we try to learn about the absolute. Mind always tries to imagine/think in terms of its previous experiences. Thus we try to circumvent this and try to speak from a purely intellectual layer. We have at the mental imaginative plane soo many questions to answer.
Just we see ourselves as a new born baby all of a sudden thrown into this universe. Now what we will ask given we devolop the intelligence to do that? Then, as we are – we see the world – we have all the following doubts.
What is the cause of this all around?
What is the beginning of time?? and end of time.
Is universe finite? or infinite?
What is space?
Now, what is a point?
How can one body move from one point to another??
What exactly is motion??(means it has to cover infinite points between two given points)
One supreme question, what is this life what we say we possess?
what is the distinction between living and nonliving and its cause?
and more, the cause of inertia?
Now these are the lists of doubts as a new baby in this world. We can first and foremost list. They are varying and diverse. Now at this time the important question unseen is, what is the faculty of the cranial layer that makes these thinking? If u see, the above questions, with the light if the last u will recognise that, all these questions have their basis on the default acceptance of this world as it is. And thus, we are trying to define absolute thru questions which are not absolute but based on the logic we have by default accepted – as it is – as we have imbibed them from this universe.
I interrupted him in between and argued that the logic is the tool thats available to us and even if we have to drop it, we should have a logical reason for the same. The reply came soon.
Remember the universe, this physical system is also all those logics together. For example, beginning, end, cause, effect, infinite, finite etc., apper fundamental and absolute to us, though they are actually just part of this physical system which we have accepted innocently by default as whole. And accepted ‘as it is’, thus we feel that such logics are absolute. Thus, a process should have a beginning, athing has to be either finite or infinite etc are logics. They are not absolute. We live in a physical system which at macro level obeys them.
In our present layer (of physical universe), we have intelligence, we have imaginations. But all these are based on the logics and imageries which have selected as axioms by default what we have percieved subconsciously from this universe. This entire faculty of thinking is so profound to study the macrolevels of this univ which we percieve. But we here are trying to apply the same logics and imaginations to the entire source and depth where the above logics need not work.
Infact the questions we think are absolute are nothing but those fall at the boundary of the present layer and the next. The interface seems to obstruct a continuum that is causing the jerk. Going to the boundary from here is what has been done i think by Stephen hawkins and other leading scientists. We have to first get those concepts, that will take us tho the boundary. Then we can reach the boundary and enter into the phi layer, and then look back, give modified interpretations, allaccepting.
See science is not just observation..it is old definition. it is logical too. All the things we see, from particles to the galaxies, and the logic we use to find the laws governing them, all are in the present layer. So now but we are going to the very point which says, We, around us etc. That is while, till now we have seen..We and the world around us. Now we see we ourselves as a physical point in this system which thinks – “WE”, “around me” etc. and the logics that work at this. This is science going deep.
The physics laws we find are true here, but there is no one full law getting all true together. That means that all that we see here cannot be completely explained in the same logical system which we considered full by default. Thus when we deepen into next layer we get the missing links. That makes a complete cherent picture of this physical system.
At the same time, going to the next layer may fully explain the doubts of the presnet layer and this physical world may be explained completely as from there. But there newer doubts that can come in that layer, which are unknown to us as of now and that may once take up to the next layer from where the second layer will be perfect and so on. May be then we will realize that what we here now consider as the last and final question is only a starting point.
However, though this process of going layer to layer might make us feel thatwe will never reach the absolute, there is another silverline. As we go in thru layers, the concept of “next” duality should become less intense and it is more and more in into inner layers. We are nearer and nearer to the – that – and towards the inner and inner. Thought – the thinker duality escapes, for a moment just that – awareness – then – that – that is it.
Thus the core question..we standing at the present layer will put is, define this point of ‘I’ as a fact in this universe, that thinks and is conscious.